From a reader:
Here’s my two bob’s worth on the “training” of a Thai bf …
I think periodic separation can be important. As hard as a long-distance relationship like mine can be, it does give one the option of not talking to him at all. I’ve spoken to a number of frustrated farang expats who think in hindsight that they would have been better off just visiting their bf several times a year, leaving him to get on with education or productive employment the rest of the time.
Moodiness, getting angry about trivial things … you name it, we’ve been through it with my bf.
First step was to get him to recognize his dysfunctional behaviour. Once he admitted to it, he could work on resolving it. Whenever he relapsed, instead of it being an argument about a single issue, it was always linked by me to the bigger pattern.
Along the way, when things got bad I have managed to convince him that breaking up was a serious possibility if things didn’t change. Inevitably this was initially met with ‘up to you’ ! Finally I made him concede that it had little to do with me, and was in fact ‘up to him’. I also managed to get him to admit that our relationship did actually matter to him.
One characteristic that I think gay Thai boys are often seriously lacking is empathy. They can kick up a hissy fit at the smallest perceived injustice to them, but struggle to comprehend the effect of their behaviour on others. I tend not to get angry with him, as a father would, but instead show just how much he has hurt my feelings at times. He seems to respond much better to that than anger.
Moodiness is still a problem. But he also recognizes that. When he’s moody, I just refuse to have anything to do with him. Again, I don’t get angry. “OK, I can tell you’re moody today. I’ll speak to you when you’re feeling better. Good-bye”. He can turn it on or off when it suits him, so so can I. He’s getting better. Now he apologizes when he’s been moody.
Re crying … one day when he was in a ’show-off’ mood, my bf made the mistake of showing me how easily be could turn on the waterworks at will. He sat on the end of the bed, got into the mood, and before long the tears were streaming down his cheeks.
I’ve wondered where all this comes from. Are Thai gay boys just the world’s greatest drama queens, or are all young Thais males like this ? Reports elsewhere suggest that Thai women often behave like little girls. Do gay boys just emulate what they think is normal gay / feminine behaviour ?
Soap operas seem to reinforce many of these behaviours. All of these shows seems to have at least one female bitch character who behaves like the worst spoilt child you’ve ever seen. Screaming queens complete the dyfunctional role models for young Thai gay boys. Why people chose to emulate these behaviours is perplexing, but Thais do seem to like to mimic, and there are few better gay role models.
My next planned strategy is to push the ‘cross-cultural’ aspect of our relationship. If he wants to be part of such a relationship, then that will mean some things will be done in a Thai way and others in a Western way. Fortunately he concedes that some aspects of Thai society are dysfunctional. Just as I have learnt about his culture, he needs to learn about mine.
BTW, it’s taken us 5 years to get to this point, and the above trials and tribulations have been a relatively small part of that. And the rest has more than made up for them.
H.
November 21st, 2005 at 8:48 pm
Fascinating to hear about the on/off crying mode. At least mine doesn’t cry to manipulate me. Actually he doesn’t manipuate me at all. He is just moody.
November 21st, 2005 at 8:52 pm
I agree that the best way is to show him how what he does affet you. When I have been able to sort of hold up a mirror so he can see himself and his behaviour he can sometimes be quite ashamed.
If you live abroad you have been saved the intensity of being together all the time. Love them and leave them? On the other hand living year round with him makes the relationship deeper. I get to know and trust him really well.
November 21st, 2005 at 10:28 pm
The “intensity of being together” - yes, that sums up life with a Thai bf pretty well ! I’ve been with him for long enough periods to know what that is like.
Re-reading what I wrote, I should point out that he has no doubt made me a better person too !
I wonder about the connection between moodiness and boredom … or perhaps “Thai ennui”. As good as Thais can be at finding fun in next to nothing, they do seem rather ill-equipped to deal with boredom, which they are often quick to identify. They don’t generally read, they don’t have hobbies, they don’t exercise for exercise’s sake … they just don’t have “interests”. One could perhaps argue that these are middle-class ‘luxuries’ that the people of Isaan have no time or need for. But if we farang supposedly think too much, they often think too little. A recent Sawatdee post related the story of a group of Thai adults contending they had no need for “opinions”.
Given your experiences and those of your friends, I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on where the seemingly stereotypical behaviour patterns of many Thai gay boys might come from.
H.
November 22nd, 2005 at 7:17 am
Undereducation no doubt plays some role. You can’t have much life of the mind with an empty head, so without some external stimulus boredom comes easily.
November 23rd, 2005 at 11:45 pm
I agree that perhaps the common denominator here is “education”. I think that the more educated a person is, the more mature they will be… along with more rational, more hard-working, and more likely to have interests outside of eating and sleeping.